Welcome to the Jukebox Podcast

[00:00:00] Nathan Wrigley: Welcome to the Jukebox podcast, from WP Tavern. My name is Nathan Wrigley.

About the Jukebox Podcast

Jukebox is a podcast dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case, the underpinnings of modern theme development and artistic exploration within WordPress.

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Meet Our Guest, Tammie Lister

So on the podcast today, we have Tammie Lister. Tammie is a product creator focusing on WordPress. She has a hybrid background as a full stack product creator. She contributes to WordPress, and is passionate about open source and the WordPress community.

Tammie’s Background and Experience

Tammie has a rich history with WordPress, having worked with themes and the platform for many years. Her journey melds her artistic flair with technical expertise, something which is, I think, quite rare. Her experience spans theme building, design, development, and more recently guiding product developers through Guildenberg, an initiative which she co-founded.

Tammie’s Perspective on WordPress Themes

The fact that Tammie is both a designer and a technical expert has allowed her to offer a well-rounded perspective on the evolution and future of WordPress themes.

Exploring the Shift to Full Site Editing and theme.json

We explore the shift from Classic Themes to the era of Full Site Editing and theme.json, and discuss whether the lower than anticipated adoption of these new tools is just a JSON file. That could be all it is, is one file going forward. And that might be amazing, and it will pull in all these patterns, and it’ll pull in everything.

The Future of WordPress Themes

But that still will be a theme, and that still will have had someone creative come along and determine that all these patterns and these color combinations go. And they will work with an AI to come up with color combination suggestions, all those kind of things. So you’re still going to have that. But it’s the idea that you can still take it from one site to the other, and still have that styling. I think that’s still there. I just think we’ve got to maybe be a bit more adaptive about what that term means, and maybe just all call it themes.

The Evolution of WordPress Themes

I imagine there’s going to be a bunch of people listening to this who are going to stick to what we’re going to call Classic Themes until they simply are no longer an option. There’ll be other people who are somewhere along the journey, and they’re dipping into, well, for want of a better word, hybrid. Or there’s people who are doing the whole thing with the Site Editor.

Getting in Touch with Tammie

Regardless of that, if people wanted to find you and talk to you about your journey and any help that you may be able to give them, making that migration, where’s the best place to get in touch with you, Tammie?

Tammie’s Contact Information

[Tammie Lister]: Yeah, So you can find me at my site, tammielister.com. And you can also find me on all the socials at Karmatosed. I also have a theme site called ‘Classic To Block’.

Closing the Conversation

[Nathan Wrigley]: I will put all of those into the show notes so everybody can find all of the different places where you are available. But, Tammie Lister, thank you so much for chatting to me today. I really appreciate it.

[Tammie Lister]: Thank you.

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